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bubbles1966 wrote: Tue Mar 14, 2023 10:09 am There's an element of that within Europe, Moley.

Some of the european countries have been dragging their heels all along, often seemingly for self-interested economic reasons , because they became so locked into Russia. There's a hint of the same thing brewing with China which is what that article is hinting at.
Not wrong there....but is there a difference to being economically tied (dependent?) and being more ideologically aligned? Although tbh I'm not sure they truly are - I think it's just more of an extreme bandwagon for them to jump on :think:
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It's looking increasingly like the Republicans will be running more on an anti-woke, anti-trans, anti-LGBQT, anti-whatever platform - which means that they've done their research & that's what their base is concerned about most.

DeSantis is going after drag shows in Florida even shutting down established hotels alcohol license who have such shows.

Obviously I am no expert but I'm not sure if that's a great strategy when they've just overturned womens abortion rights & we have mass shootings all the time but I'm in California which is very different to most of the country.

Florida's facing a fair few issues at the moment with various climate & pollution issues as well as Insurance companies pulling out of the State as hurricanes get more damaging. Lots of people have moved to Florida in the last few years (mainly older white people over 50 who lean Right) so property costs has skyrocketed & that really is the bottom line to these types. We're now seeing people leaving Florida & moving to North Carolina, Arizona & other States that are offering them incentives to move there.

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Shabu wrote: Wed Mar 15, 2023 7:09 pm It's looking increasingly like the Republicans will be running more on an anti-woke, anti-trans, anti-LGBQT, anti-whatever platform - which means that they've done their research & that's what their base is concerned about most.
The BBC has aired a programme the boys form Brazil (about the Rise of the Bolsonaros) - tbh I've not watched all of the programmes, but it sounds more and more like that over in the states.
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Hummer_I_mean_Hammer wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 8:04 am The BBC has aired a programme the boys form Brazil (about the Rise of the Bolsonaros) - tbh I've not watched all of the programmes, but it sounds more and more like that over in the states.
I think it's happening all over the world. People are having their buttons pushed by certain aspects of the media.

There are so many online media sources now & they are all fighting for revenue so if they can create a niche & keep feeding it they stay in business.

And that means feeding peoples emotions so they can't switch off or have to follow clickbait.

True of both sides. Some eejit was trying to tell me recently that David Bowie would never make it in todays Britain because of the transphobia. The UK hates trans people & his proof was Sam Smith. I tried telling him that the British press pick on EVERY famous person but they weren't having it.

The irony was they live in Florida, home of DeSantis :lol:
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The attack ads have started.

A superpac supporting Desantis is attacking trump for being pro gun control. The advert is being during the NRA conference (where trump spoke) & says “Trump cut and run like a coward,” the ad states. “Trump the gun-grabber doesn’t deserve a second chance.”

Meanwhile trump is running an ad attacking Desantis for allegedly eating chocolate pudding with his fingers on a flight a few years back.

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bubbles1966 wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 3:58 pm

Sounds like the run up to Russia/Ukraine all over again. Widely tipped that the Chinese will invade Taiwan within three years.

Is Biden a bit of an aggressive war-monger, or is he standing up to dictatorships?
While Trump did continue to arm Ukraine the Biden administration is far more hawkish and is definitely [ partly ] responsible for Russia's invasion of Ukraine -

As for standing up to Dictatorships - I think Biden is doing a fine job standing up to Emir Tamin Al Thani , he even sent a Squad of 22 men to win over hearts and minds , King Abdullah Aziz Al Saud , King Mswati 111, Idriss Deby , Haji Waddaulah and Joseph Kabila . Think he's taken his eye off Shavkat Mirziyoyev and Yoweri Kaguta Museveni but he can't be everywhere all at once .

The problem with Dictatorships is there's always some busy-body who insist on wanting a greater say in their country's policy making - thing is though , once they're in power there's not a thing you can do , you can march on your capital holding up ' Hands Off Iraq ' , you can even get 100,000 folk to gather at the Lincoln Memorial , you could be a prominent actor , boxer or civil rights leader , the Dictatorship will either ridicule you in the press [ Hanoi Jane ] , threaten you with imprisonment or simply assassinate you , once in power a Dictator can only be replaced by another Dictator , those who vote them in have no say whatsoever over the policies they adopt . They can invade whoever they like using whatever pretext comes to mind , they can bomb , maim and murder innocent civilians then leave without repercussion .

Dictators are always attracted to each other , prime examples being Thatcher and Pinochet , Rishi Sunak and Paul Kagame .


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The Old Man of Storr wrote: Sat Apr 15, 2023 9:14 am While Trump did continue to arm Ukraine the Biden administration is far more hawkish and is definitely [ partly ] responsible for Russia's invasion of Ukraine -

Russia had invaded Ukraine, and other parts of the region years before Biden took control. This 'proxy war' nonsense has to stop. It would be like calling the conflict in Syria a war between Russia and the US.
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Shabu wrote: Fri Mar 03, 2023 6:04 pm

A massive chunk DO want the American TV 1950's perfect White America with dad the boss & subservient mum (that only existed for a small minority). Wholesome Christian values & all that stuff.
The "golden age" of capitalism. I'm sure that if taxes were raised to between 70% and 90%, like they were in the 50's and 60's in America, that massive chunk would think twice.
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Maybe a ‘massive chunk’ just don’t want the mass homelessness, drug addiction epidemic, crime ridden cities that the Democrats seem utterly disinterested in doing anything about?
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Het-Field wrote: Sat Apr 15, 2023 12:23 pm Russia had invaded Ukraine, and other parts of the region years before Biden took control. This 'proxy war' nonsense has to stop. It would be like calling the conflict in Syria a war between Russia and the US.
The Crimea had always been part of the Russian Empire ever since it took it off the Ottoman Empire back in in 1783 after the Battle of Kozludzha - then in 1954 when Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union and out of the goodness of his heart Nikita Khrushchev transferred Crimea from the Russian Soviet Federation of Socialist Republics (RSFSR) to the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic (UkrSSR) [ reading between the lines , probably to make up for what had happened to Ukraine under Stalin ] . The transfer was announced in the Soviet press in late February 1954, eight days after the Presidium of the USSR Supreme Soviet adopted a resolution authorizing the move on 19 February.

It was only after the collapse of the Soviet Union that we learned more about this deal when declassified documents from 1955-1962 emerged .

Here are a couple of transcripts from ' Istoricheskii Arkhiv ' from 1992 -

'' (1) the cession of Crimea was a “noble act on the part of the Russian people” to commemorate the 300th anniversary of the “reunification of Ukraine with Russia” (a reference to the Treaty of Pereyaslav signed in 1654 by representatives of the Ukrainian Cossack Hetmanate and Tsar Aleksei I of Muscovy) and to “evince the boundless trust and love the Russian people feel toward the Ukrainian people”; and

(2) the transfer was a natural outgrowth of the “territorial proximity of Crimea to Ukraine, the commonalities of their economies, and the close agricultural and cultural ties between the Crimean oblast and the UkrSSS. ”

The Crimea was the site of major military bases from Tsarist times on, having become a symbol of Imperial Russian military power against the Ottoman Turks. After Ukraine decided they'd rather cosy up to the US and the EU Russia decided it wasn't such a good idea to gift the Crimea to Ukraine after all and decided they'd take their ball back and play with somebody else . The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away .
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A reminder that this is the US Election thread. The "Vlad Putin: Flash, Bang, Wallop, Propaganda" thread can be found HERE. :)

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Posted this on the Ukraine war thread but probably needs to be here too.
Along with Woke, Guns, Trans, Abotion etc, seems the Republican party have a new toy in their bid to re-elect their orange baby God.
MTJ has come out & called the lad that leaked classified information on the Ukraine war a "hero".
They know he's a hard-core Republican, but instead of damning his actions towards an ally, she backed him up because he's sticking it to the Biden "Regime" in their "illegal" war.
Clips on this YouTube channel, they have loads of interesting stuff.
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As an aside, did ye see the clips from the NRA convention..? Fubar..! (On same YouTube channel should your interest be piqued.
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last.caress wrote: Sun Apr 16, 2023 10:12 am A reminder that this is the US Election thread. The "Vlad Putin: Flash, Bang, Wallop, Propaganda" thread can be found HERE. :)

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That big boy over there started it , Miss , I just replied to him .

As for the US Election , I've only this to say - I miss Donald Trump being President , he gave me some of the biggest laughs of the last 4 years - Biden becoming President ruined Michael Spicer's career . Bring back Trumpy .
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The Old Man of Storr wrote: Sun Apr 16, 2023 10:01 pm That big boy over there started it , Miss , I just replied to him .

As for the US Election , I've only this to say - I miss Donald Trump being President , he gave me some of the biggest laughs of the last 4 years - Biden becoming President ruined Michael Spicer's career . Bring back Trumpy .
Yes, let's bring back the racist abuse my family and friends had to put up with when he was president.

Trust me, it ramped up after he was elected & died down a lot after January 6th.

So you keep up siding with the racists & klan members Tomas. It's a good look on you.
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I have always maintained the only reason Bill Clinton got elected was simply because he looked presidential and bore an uncanny resemblance to Jack Kennedy
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Puff Daddy wrote: Mon Apr 17, 2023 7:20 pm I have always maintained the only reason Bill Clinton got elected was simply because he looked presidential and bore an uncanny resemblance to Jack Kennedy
Hikaru did all the work while he got noshed in his office
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DublinDave wrote: Sun Apr 16, 2023 9:51 pm Posted this on the Ukraine war thread but probably needs to be here too.
Along with Woke, Guns, Trans, Abotion etc, seems the Republican party have a new toy in their bid to re-elect their orange baby God.
MTJ has come out & called the lad that leaked classified information on the Ukraine war a "hero".
They know he's a hard-core Republican, but instead of damning his actions towards an ally, she backed him up because he's sticking it to the Biden "Regime" in their "illegal" war.
Clips on this YouTube channel, they have loads of interesting stuff.
https://youtube.com/@MeidasTouch
As an aside, did ye see the clips from the NRA convention..? Fubar..! (On same YouTube channel should your interest be piqued.
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Shabu wrote: Mon Apr 17, 2023 3:31 am Yes, let's bring back the racist abuse my family and friends had to put up with when he was president.

Trust me, it ramped up after he was elected & died down a lot after January 6th.

So you keep up siding with the racists & klan members Tomas. It's a good look on you.
My Dear Shabu ,
I'm sorry if you couldn't tell that I wasn't being serious about wanting Trump re-elected - if you could be bothered to read back through the Trump thread [ not this one ] you would see me calling him a Racist and a Fascist - Michael Spicer is an English comedian / youtuber who poked fun at Trump constantly via his ' Room Next Door ' channel . The use of bleach injections to fight off Covid , telling those black American ladies who criticised him to go home , encouraging his supporters to join in the hatred - maybe irony doesn't come across so well , maybe I'm not as funny as I think I am , maybe you thought I was being serious and mistook me for a Trump Supporter when nothing could be further from the truth ?

I do miss the laughs though , laughing at him not with him .

I did once work for the Clan though , the Clan Donald and before you mistake me for a Hooded Lyncher with a penchant for Burning Crosses , it's a Scottish Visitor Centre down in Armadale , Skye where I worked as a Gardener , nothing to do with your ex President .

I'm sorry you and your family suffered racist abuse as a result of Trump's tenure . Much :heart:

I would never choose to live in the US but if I did my X would have gone next to Bernie Sanders but he has as much of a chance at getting in as you do getting my jokes . :grin: Lighten up you silly bugger , you really don't know me very well do you ? I expect a full apology by 7 am tomorrow morning - in triplicate .
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I know you were attempting a joke. It's just not in the slightest bit funny here.

You can chortle all you want thousands of miles away but a trump presidency unleashes a whole heap of **** on immigrant & non white communities in the US. Trucks with massive trump flags patrolling through immigrant neighbourhoods. trump supporters now feeling like its ok to tell brown kids to go back to where they came from, people in maga gear constantly trying to provoke fights because they're emboldened in their prejudices. And so on & so on.

So no, I won't lighten up at your wanting trump back comments so you can be amused.
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It IS easier for us over here to laugh at Trump; however, I can well imagine (& thank you for your examples, Shabs :newthumb: ) how awful it was for many when he was President. Even over here, I dread him getting back in again, over there. He is a truly awful human being, imo.
I also don't believe that TOMoS was at all serious about wanting Trump back in so he can laugh at him again.
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