The Sack Race 2023/2024 - new season, new sackings (PL body count: 1)

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Cuenca 'ammer wrote: Thu Nov 10, 2022 7:46 pm Southampton taking a big risk on appointing the Luton boss ?

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/63566631

Nathan Jones: Southampton appoint Luton boss as new manager

He guided them to promotion in 2018 and the Hatters were second in League One in January 2019 when Jones left for an ill-fated spell in charge of Stoke City.

During his 11 months with Stoke they won just six of 38 matches. Jones moved back to Kenilworth Road in May 2020, speaking of his "regret" at leaving before resurrecting his career during a successful second spell with Luton.
It sure seems like a big risk. They must have seen something in him.
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BrumHammer wrote: Thu Nov 10, 2022 9:03 pm It sure seems like a big risk. They must have seen something in him.
Best young manager around. Did an amazing job at Luton. Depends if he has learned from the Stoke experience.
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ironilunga wrote: Thu Nov 10, 2022 8:13 pm Because we have had a real go in the transfer market and recruited elite players who need managing by an elite manager.

With the greatest of respect to Brighton and Soton our trajectory is slightly different. Managing the expectation of a 60k London stadium and international elite players is quite different to that of clubs half the size. I know that sounds arrogant but we have chosen a certain path with the players we purchased and they need expert coaching. In some cases an existing manager can make the step up and I still retain hope that Moyes can do so but if he goes we have to get in a smart top notch tactician who can manage big names.
What is an “elite manager?”
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I'd say an elite manager is one who chooses a club rather than a club chooses him.
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Ironing Board wrote: Thu Nov 10, 2022 9:07 pm What is an “elite manager?”
Someone who can organise elite players into a cohesive unit to challenge at the top of the domestic league and make a serious top 4 challenge - that is why we invested the best part of 200mil - that’s the remit.
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ironilunga wrote: Fri Nov 11, 2022 4:18 am Someone who can organise elite players into a cohesive unit to challenge at the top of the domestic league and make a serious top 4 challenge - that is why we invested the best part of 200mil - that’s the remit.
Not sure we elite players tbh. We have one elite player in Rice.
2 potentially great players in Paqueta and Aguerd.
Then quite a few very good on their day (which hasn't been for some time).

The £145m spent this summer is a good start but we are still playing catch up with the previous big spenders. Elite managers want to bring in their own elite players,doubt we can finance that.

Feels to me if we pull the trigger we need to be going for a tier below elite, get the guys before they go to Chelsea and such.

Not sure we can attrack ready made elite.
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ironilunga wrote: Fri Nov 11, 2022 4:18 am Someone who can organise elite players into a cohesive unit to challenge at the top of the domestic league and make a serious top 4 challenge - that is why we invested the best part of 200mil - that’s the remit.
So basically Moyes then.

We missed out on 4th by just 2 points in the 2020/21 and last season we were well in the race all the way until March when we went for the Europa League, which would’ve equalled the same result, Champions League football. But with the added bonus of having a major trophy. Our first in over 40 years.

Even more impressive when you consider we arguably don’t have too many ‘elite’ players in the squad. I make El Brooko right in that regard.
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ironilunga wrote: Fri Nov 11, 2022 4:18 am Someone who can organise elite players into a cohesive unit to challenge at the top of the domestic league and make a serious top 4 challenge - that is why we invested the best part of 200mil - that’s the remit.
For "a serious top 4 challenge" you have to take an honest look at what's in fron of you. Two "state owned clubs" with pretty much unlimited resources, United, Chelsea -> big cash injection lately (!!!), Arsenal, Spurs and Liverpool, who might get sold for up to 5 billion -> all of them in the hands of US Capital.

To think we could regularly compete, go toe to toe with those financial giants isn't realistic at all.
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This club in the right hands has The potential to challenge those club's Dusseldorf. Man city were relegated 5 times between 83 and 01. And it never stopped them or the fans believing they could compete . This chronic small club mentality from some of our fans is a cancer that needs cutting out .
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The club's average attendance says it all despite winning sod all since 1980 . I'd love to see the big 6 attendances in similar circumstances.
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The hayfield wrote: Fri Nov 11, 2022 7:32 am This club in the right hands has The potential to challenge those club's Dusseldorf. Man city were relegated 5 times between 83 and 01. And it never stopped them or the fans believing they could compete . This chronic small club mentality from some of our fans is a cancer that needs cutting out .
This is like saying a working man always believed his hard work would pay and he just ends up winning the lottery.
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The hayfield wrote: Fri Nov 11, 2022 7:32 am This club in the right hands has The potential to challenge those club's Dusseldorf. Man city were relegated 5 times between 83 and 01. And it never stopped them or the fans believing they could compete . This chronic small club mentality from some of our fans is a cancer that needs cutting out .
Becoming the richest club in the world probably helped them.

Unless we get sold or get lucky with a youth player i.e. Harry Kane, you could argue Declan Rice.

Then we do not have much of a chance of consistently challenging.

Much like Leicester, we can get ourselves up there when we have an excellent manager, and much like Leicester we shouldn't kick him out when the team he has had over performing for years reverts to type.
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DusseldorfHammer wrote: Fri Nov 11, 2022 7:00 am For "a serious top 4 challenge" you have to take an honest look at what's in fron of you.
Man City, Man Utd, Chelsea, Spurs, Newcastle, Liverpool, Arsenal.

So 8th is the very best we can achieve? Our Summer window suggests otherwise. We were the third highest spenders in Europe over the Summer, which indicates intent to interrupt the status quo. Moyes himself would absolutely agree that we were going to try and challenge the top 4 this season, and he was backed to do so.

It matters not where the money comes from. We have competed with all the big boys in financial terms this year. Newcastle are currently being spoken about as top 4 contenders and they didn’t spend nearly as much as us last Summer - they are being spoken about because they are winning. . . We are not
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ironilunga wrote: Fri Nov 11, 2022 7:54 am Man City, Man Utd, Chelsea, Liverpool, Spurs, Newcastle, Liverpool.

So 8th is the very best we can achieve? Our Summer window suggests otherwise. We were the third highest spenders in Europe over the Summer, which indicates intent to interrupt the status quo. Moyes himself would absolutely agree that we were going to try and challenge the top 4 this season, and he was backed to do so.

It matters not where the money comes from. We have competed with all the big boys in financial terms this year. Newcastle are currently being spoken about as top 4 contenders and they didn’t spend nearly as much as us last Summer - they are being spoken about because they are winning. . . We are not
Newcastle spent £100m in January.

Our spend this Summer was making up for last Summer where we spent about £50m and the Summer before where we spent about the same, and that's before taking into account the money we made back selling the likes of Diangana and Haller.

We've underspent for years.
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Bubbles Fortuna wrote: Fri Nov 11, 2022 7:56 am Newcastle spent £100m in January.

Our spend this Summer was making up for last Summer where we spent about £50m and the Summer before where we spent about the same, and that's before taking into account the money we made back selling the likes of Diangana and Haller.

We've underspent for years.
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Bubbles Fortuna wrote: Fri Nov 11, 2022 7:56 am Newcastle spent £100m in January.

Our spend this Summer was making up for last Summer where we spent about £50m and the Summer before where we spent about the same, and that's before taking into
We actually spent closer to 70mil in the Summer of 2021, which made us the 6th highest spenders in the prem and 10th in Europe. We spent 119mil in 2019.

I would say our spending over the last few years is easily top 6 level.
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ironilunga wrote: Fri Nov 11, 2022 8:19 am We actually spent closer to 70mil in the Summer of 2021, which made us the 6th highest spenders in the prem and 10th in Europe. We spent 119mil in 2019.

I would say our spending over the last few years is easily top 6 level.
We are 6th in net transfer spend for the last 5 years. A few million above newcastle.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/premier ... =&intern=0

Also the case that some clubs are able to pay upfront. Let's see what newscastle do as our summer spend is committed over 4-5 years likely.

19/20 season we spend 64 million euros.
18/19 84 million euros.

Journalists sensationalise fees. Paqueta gets reported at £51m
He has so far committed 42million euros. £35m.
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Net spend is one thing. Having worst training facilities compared to a lot of Championship side is another.

Little to no real investment their for more than a decade.
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El brooko79 wrote: Fri Nov 11, 2022 8:59 am We are 6th in net transfer spend for the last 5 years.
So a fallacy then that we are perennial underspenders and a clear statement of intent this Summer of wanting to upset the big boys.
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