-DL- wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 8:51 pm
Nice. I'm due another major cancer surgery on 3rd of March that has already been cancelled once.
Oh well, lives don't matter I guess.
Lives do matter, do you think people go into healthcare professions for the money? Do you not think if there was an alternative the RCN would have taken it? All along they have said put an offer on the table and then we'll suspend strike action( as other unions in a variety of fields have done) but Steve Barclay , no doubt under instructions from above , steadfastly refuses to do so.
Imagine having your surgery in an NHS where there are even fewer staff, even fewer resources . The RCN have no choice as the government is not listening. They are not listening because we have a Chancellor who has always preferred a Kaiser Permanente type system.
So we either back the striking staff or we all have to take out private insurance - which by the way will not cover you for you pre-existing condition.
Hopefully this will be resolved soon- I wish you all the best for a speedy recovery.
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ironsonthebrain wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 8:41 am
Doesn't it just!
Sandwich sellers are of a higher value than nurses?
I see it more as people are willing to spend that much in a coffee shop that they can afford to pay their staff a better wage.
FWIW, I believe nurses/doctors/paramedics/teachers/police etc. should be better paid, which would encourage a better pool of staff then everyone benefits.
You can't really compare public and private sector salaries as they are based on different goals and pressures.
YorksHammer wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 8:36 am
I saw an inforgraphic yesterday that said Pret are upping their wages to £14.10 an hour, which is more (by a penny) than nurses earn an hour.
I haven't fact checked it myself, but does kind of put a perspective on it
It was junior doctors not nurses I think and it's also wrong. The £14.09 doesn't include the extra 30% they get for unsociable hours etc which takes their pay up by about £8,500.
That isn't enough for me if that figure is true. Everytime I have been to a hospital the junior Drs & Nurses do the majority of the heavy lifting, or so it seems.
How long do you study for to become a Junior Dr? 6 to 8 years at a guess?
I haven't got the answers, but looking in from the outside they deserve to earn more than that.
1st year junior Drs do. 2nd year £45k. Year 3 top side of £50k. By the time they have completed training they will be in the top 10% of earners.
If they want to help they should reduce the student debt for medical training. Bursaries for nurses, hold off on Dr loan repayments until their training is complete.
They're probably banking on overtime being offered to them later in the year to clear the backlog, though 360k taking over 10 weeks from a total of 10m requests doesn't count as much of a backlog - clearance rate is over 96% in <10 weeks.
SammyLeeWasOffside wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 11:51 am
1st year junior Drs do. 2nd year £45k. Year 3 top side of £50k. By the time they have completed training they will be in the top 10% of earners.
If they want to help they should reduce the student debt for medical training. Bursaries for nurses, hold off on Dr loan repayments until their training is complete.
45k in their 2nd year? where is this from. We have jobs out at the moment looking for ST3 starting at £33k. A ST3 Dr has already been working for 5 years
society moans that we don't have enough medical staff yet no one seems to want to pay them fairly.
Prob wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 1:53 pm
45k in their 2nd year? where is this from.
Mumbles posted a DHSC graphic in the other thread showing that. Not clear whether it includes remuneration for pension contributions in the extras which I assume are Fringe allowances, on-call allowances, unsociable hours premiums etc.
Prob wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 1:53 pm
45k in their 2nd year? where is this from. We have jobs out at the moment looking for ST3 starting at £33k. A ST3 Dr has already been working for 5 years
NHS Staff Earnings Estimates, September 2022, Provisional Statistics
Mean annual earnings per person Foundation Doctor Yr 2 £43,284
SammyLeeWasOffside wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 3:05 pm
NHS Staff Earnings Estimates, September 2022, Provisional Statistics
Mean annual earnings per person Foundation Doctor Yr 2 £43,284
The mean basic pay for a F2 is £32,116. They will get additional pay for working nights, weekends and bank holidays which is the mean non-basic pay is £11,168
Which pushes the mean annual earnings up to £43,284
Basic pay in 2010 was £27,848 accounting for keeping up with inflation today the basic pay should be £39,377
Sammy takes all the extras and treats as a stick to beat them because they dare to ask for more
Overtime shouldn't be taken account at all. No Dr should have to do overtime to make an acceptable living or be used as a stick to beat them when they help out due to poor coverage etc
