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Always find it a shame that Rashid never got integrated into the test side. I think he's a superb bowler.
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smuts wrote: Sun Nov 13, 2022 4:20 pm Always find it a shame that Rashid never got integrated into the test side. I think he's a superb bowler.
Maybe one day we will find out, but with all the racism stuff at Yorkshire and a Root being a Yorkshire player you have to wonder if there is some more to this.. Either way Root just didn't trust and nurture Rashid, Morgan (a much better man manager and captain) did.

But I agree, England Test side loss.
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wolf359 wrote: Sun Nov 13, 2022 4:24 pm Maybe one day we will find out, but with all the racism stuff at Yorkshire and a Root being a Yorkshire player you have to wonder if there is some more to this.. Either way Root just didn't trust and nurture Rashid, Morgan (a much better man manager and captain) did.

But I agree, England Test side loss.
There's a hell of a lot difference between 4 or 10 overs against batters who have to score at a rate, with 4 inside 30 metres than a test match where you can be just milked.

Prodigious spinners like Warne & Murulitharun are a world apart
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old fart wrote: Sun Nov 13, 2022 4:45 pm There's a hell of a lot difference between 4 or 10 overs against batters who have to score at a rate, with 4 inside 30 metres than a test match where you can be just milked.

Prodigious spinners like Warne & Murulitharun are a world apart
Indeed there is, it might just be that Rashid is just not up to the longer form and there is nothing sinister about it. He did seem a bit mentally fragile in his younger days in the longer format. Just a shame we cannot see a more mature Rashid try the Test arena, but as good as he is, he is not Warne or Murli.
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smuts wrote: Sun Nov 13, 2022 4:20 pm Always find it a shame that Rashid never got integrated into the test side. I think he's a superb bowler.
I just think he's not good enough to bowl long spells and not get carted around the park.

And even if he did ever get recalled then I fear we'd lose him from our white ball teams as playing all forms would ruin him.

Even Stokes has had to quit the 50 over format.
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Unbelievable to see us progress as we have in white ball cricket and there was no thought of today after the Ireland result.

Curran was unbelievable all series and delivered something so special with the ball today. Rashid is so good to watch when he’s on it like he was today - he’s been unlucky with not getting many wickets but his control has helped us win games too. Buttler has been a superb leader and the future remains very bright for us with him.

Then Sir Ben Stokes - well at least the knighthood has to come soon. Does any other player come close to his ability to perform under extreme pressure. A role model of how to bounce back from adversity and difficult times.
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westham,eggyandchips wrote: Sun Nov 13, 2022 8:24 pm I just think he's not good enough to bowl long spells and not get carted around the park.

And even if he did ever get recalled then I fear we'd lose him from our white ball teams as playing all forms would ruin him.

Even Stokes has had to quit the 50 over format.
It's definitely too late for him now. Just when you consider some of the spinners we've tried out in the last 5 years who've been woeful its a shame he never worked out at test level.
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Near impossible for a wrist spinner at Test level unless exceptional or can bat top 7
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Didn’t Rashid rule himself out of playing Test cricket due to his dodgy shoulder? Think he said bowling for long periods over the course of 4-5 days was too much for him.

Brilliant yesterday, shame I had to go out and didn’t see our innings but had TMS on and was following every ball. Fortunate that Afridi got injured and didn’t bowl his quota as he can be dangerous and take key wickets.

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England are the first team to be reigning champions simultaneously in both formats of white ball cricket.
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sendô wrote: Mon Nov 14, 2022 4:00 pm England are the first team to be reigning champions simultaneously in both formats of white ball cricket.
Aussie women did it before. Current champs in both formats (and both times coached by Matthew Mott).
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Vic_Watson wrote: Mon Nov 14, 2022 10:51 pm Aussie women did it before. Current champs in both formats (and both times coached by Matthew Mott).
:chin: Wasnt it Trevor Bayliss that won in 2019?
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westham,eggyandchips wrote: Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:35 am :chin: Wasnt it Trevor Bayliss that won in 2019?
Talking about the Aussie women, eggy. Mott now holds 3 of the 4 cricket world cups.
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Couldn't watch the game on Sunday and couldn't persuade the guvnor to watch the highlights, so just watched them now.
Brilliant from Rashid, Curran and Stokes :clap:

Superb performance over the tournament from the team, makes you wonder what happened against Ireland :chin:
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Eggchaser wrote: Tue Nov 15, 2022 9:58 pm

Superb performance over the tournament from the team, makes you wonder what happened against Ireland :chin:
Rain. Another few balls and we would have won on DLS. Remember: we were also behind Pakistan on DLS during the final. Had it rained then, we'd have lost.
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