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Thoughts on the game itself... we did really well all things considered. Deserved a point and have proved yet again that we do deserve to be up there in that top 7/8 of the table mixing it with the bigger boys.
Kehrer looks to be a much better right back than he is centre back.
Fornals offers very little on the left.
Downes can keep pace with Premier League players.
Declan Rice is one of the best players in the world in his position.
We need to find a solid penalty taker (maybe try the striker we just signed who has scored 6/6 to date in his career).
Antonio and Scamacca can play up top at the same time and give the opposition a lot more to think about.
Not much between the teams over 94 mins, the penalty miss aside, the game swung on the two star forwards, ours who had been playing with confidence and looked like he had taken the league in his stride, and theirs whose form had been poor and was struggling to settle reversed roles and that was the key difference.
Should have won at Forest.
Should have took a point at Chelsea.
Should have won at Southampton.
Should have took a point at Liverpool.
......................
Beginning to look like a trend, isn't it?
Eleven points from eleven games, that's a point a game. Would anyone take thiry eight points now if offered, because unless we change our ways that's what we're looking at.
Rocksteady wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 11:21 am
Regarding the first half, I wonder if fans appreciate that Moyes has probably told them to keep it tight until half time. The old mantra of: go toe to toe with a lion, and you’ll never see its tail. Far too many times in the pre Moyes era we tried to go for it, only to be 2+ behind by half time - and morale hit the floor. Moyes first objective: make us hard to beat, and impossible to thrash.
But we do the same thing against teams at the bottom of the league
Been to Anfield once, many years ago. At the time, Liverpool were going through a lean patch and Hammerss were flying and there was lots of media speculation that we might get our first win there for many years. We battered them for the first 10 minutes, then they broke away and scored. We battered them for another 10 minutes then they broke away and scored again. We ended up losing 5-0. Away to the big clubs, going gung-ho from the start nearly always backfires.
Rocksteady wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 11:21 am
Regarding the first half, I wonder if fans appreciate that Moyes has probably told them to keep it tight until half time. The old mantra of: go toe to toe with a lion, and you’ll never see its tail. Far too many times in the pre Moyes era we tried to go for it, only to be 2+ behind by half time - and morale hit the floor. Moyes first objective: make us hard to beat, and impossible to thrash.
But we do the same thing against teams at the bottom of the league
Hi Rocksteady,
You are correct re same when we play bottom teams. However, in my time as a supporter many a lower team have kicked our ‘rear’. In fact, historically TV often chose us as the most likely venue for a cup upset for example. Moyes would have witnessed that from the outside before joining us.
I think he’s trying to change the club culture for all games, not just top half games. The above objective being every game. IMO, it’s a long term stability platform that an aspiring top four club needs. The alternative might be beating Forest 3-0, but losing to Everton/Newcastle 3-0.
Appreciate it’s all hypothetical, but I guess I’m comfortable with regular steps of progress over big wins and big losses - which can both be entertaining i acknowledge.
Plenty of room for improvement I agree, but keep the baby safe as we let out the bath water
Johnny Byrne's Boots wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 11:45 am
Eleven points from eleven games, that's a point a game. Would anyone take thiry eight points now if offered, because unless we change our ways that's what we're looking at.
Equally, seven points from the last four games (alongside four wins out of four in Europe) would suggest we have changed our ways.
That kind of form gets you 66 points.
Obviously the truth sits somewhere between the two. We started poorly and we have wasted some good opportunities to get 'easy points'.
It's the poor starts we need to sort out . You can't give teMs like Liverpool a head start . We were the betterream for much of the game but a poor start did us
Fab rice downes soucek all played very well
Scamacca stunk the place and should have been off at half time
sutts07 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 11:41 am
Thoughts on the game itself... we did really well all things considered. Deserved a point and have proved yet again that we do deserve to be up there in that top 7/8 of the table mixing it with the bigger boys.
Kehrer looks to be a much better right back than he is centre back.
Fornals offers very little on the left.
Downes can keep pace with Premier League players.
Declan Rice is one of the best players in the world in his position.
We need to find a solid penalty taker (maybe try the striker we just signed who has scored 6/6 to date in his career).
Antonio and Scamacca can play up top at the same time and give the opposition a lot more to think about.
Bubbles Fortuna wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 10:13 am
Colleagues at work, Arsenal, Man Utd, Chelsea, Liverpool, Newcastle and Tottenham fans have all said to me that West Ham should have had a point out of that game.
Yet West Ham fans are claiming we were battered
Which fans are they? I haven’t read that we were battered by anyone. That’s exaggeration based on some having differing opinions. The main gripe is how cautious we start, especially as we seem to be going a goal down quite frequently anyway. There is no need for Fornals on the left. What Moyes could do though, is use Fornals as a Paqueta replacement and start Benrahma. These are the sorts of things he does do, but not until it’s very late in a game.
Scamacca stunk the place and should have been off at half time
I don't recall Scamacca doing an awful lot wrong in the first half, in fact I don't recall him doing anything much at all apart from.the odd misplaced pass. There was little service to him.
I wouldn't expect any manager to hook their best striker at half time unless there were extenuating circumstances.
Rocksteady wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 11:21 am
Regarding the first half, I wonder if fans appreciate that Moyes has probably told them to keep it tight until half time. The old mantra of: go toe to toe with a lion, and you’ll never see its tail. Far too many times in the pre Moyes era we tried to go for it, only to be 2+ behind by half time - and morale hit the floor. Moyes first objective: make us hard to beat, and impossible to thrash.
But we do the same thing against teams at the bottom of the league
We really got at them last 30 mins.
I can't help but think that task became easier once Tiago and Nunez were off the pitch.
I think Nunez particularly would have caused all sorts of issues with his pace at that point.
sutts07 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 11:41 am
Thoughts on the game itself... we did really well all things considered. Deserved a point and have proved yet again that we do deserve to be up there in that top 7/8 of the table mixing it with the bigger boys.
Kehrer looks to be a much better right back than he is centre back.
Fornals offers very little on the left.
Downes can keep pace with Premier League players.
Declan Rice is one of the best players in the world in his position.
We need to find a solid penalty taker (maybe try the striker we just signed who has scored 6/6 to date in his career).
Antonio and Scamacca can play up top at the same time and give the opposition a lot more to think about.
Completely agree with this and we should have come away with a point.
Nunez was causing us so much trouble last night, as soon as he came off we started to put a performance together.
Positive Point...We Could have nicked that maybe,and not to many would have said it would have been the wrong result...
That's a rarity going there...we do seem to be giving them a game in our Moyes Era,despite what some of us are saying,can't deny that.
Dissapointed In GS ,no idea what was going on there...we do have a prob against the top sides in getting our CFs involved,
think he needs a No10 in and around him,we had 3 sitting back MFers Basically,Bowen and Fornals pushing up wide,Paq Plays centre in
closer to him think we see a Different Gianluca.
Fab had a good game,kept us in it first half..and as for Dec,what can you say....outstanding sums it up,when Ally was asked who's MOM,
straight away I went he'll pick Declan.
Poor Subs from Klipperty I thought,was quite happy when saw changes...would have got Micky on after 15 of the second half,Scamma
was struggling was so obvious...Pleased he kept him on tho to play with Mickey tho,Micky had the hump tho when he sent GS thru
wide right and he had a poor shot,the ball was back inside to Micky,but the pair of them together,with Bowen ,Paq in behind,would
scare the **** outta most defences.
Gonna gives us 7/10...Nearly Kept them out first...55% Plus Possession 2nd,thats fair enough..
According to Aluko and a laughing Macmanaman...It's CLEVER to scuff the Penalty spot up when one has been awarded against you...
We'll have to remember that.
Like to have seen the reaction if Zoo had done it,if was other way round..
Comments like that are F.in Embarrassing...does put you in mind of..."one rule for one,one rule for another"
sutts07 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 11:35 am
Much better second half from us but doesn’t leave me feeling any better about the result. Missed opportunities every week this season.
Should have won at Forest.
Should have took a point at Chelsea.
Should have won at Southampton.
Should have took a point at Liverpool.
That 7 point swing alone would put us 5th or 6th in the table.
having said we had a better second half, the game could have been out of sight
Nunez hits the post, hits a volley that Fab tips just over, has a drive saved by Fab, Zouma almost scores an o.g. later on.....had Henderson been a better finisher he scores, and then we blocked a certain goal as well.
Klopp miscalculated and subbed his 3 most influential players which is when we started to really get on top. he thought the game was over and done.
funky chicken wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 2:40 pm
As poor as we was in the 1st half after the first 10-15 minutes, had Bowen buried that penalty it could well have been a different story.
It was once again another game of fine margins. Moyes’ game plan would’ve worked a treat if we took our chances.
The only thing I thought Moyes got wrong during the game was not introducing Antonio sooner.
Had Bowen scored, we wouldn’t have played the way we did in the 2nd half. We would have carried on like we did in the first half.
EastleighHammer16 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 2:46 pm
Had Bowen scored, we wouldn’t have played the way we did in the 2nd half. We would have carried on like we did in the first half.
EastleighHammer16 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 2:46 pm
Had Bowen scored, we wouldn’t have played the way we did in the 2nd half. We would have carried on like we did in the first half.
Who knows, hindsight is a wonderful thing. Had they attacked us more, it may have equally played into our hands as we do sometimes do better when the opposition have more of the ball. We even won the penalty when they were well on top!
First 10-15 minutes we were fine. Just a little bit wasteful with the ball. Even after the penalty we didn’t do too bad for the remaining minutes of that half. It was the 30-35 minutes in that half when Liverpool really dominated.