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Sickness benefit, Unemployment benefit, most tax credits, and disability Living Allowance. (Basically, everything except PIP).
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York Ham(mer) wrote: Tue Nov 29, 2022 1:52 am What does Universal Credit replace?
Housing Benefit
income-related Employment and Support Allowance (ESA)
income-based Jobseeker's Allowance (JSA)
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bubbles1966 wrote: Thu Nov 24, 2022 10:11 pm I get the impression you think the process was like ordering a box of biros for the council on a mundane Monday morning and that everyone had time to dither and delay as though nothing much was happening.

Yes. People were dying. Lots of them. Hospitals, community nursing teams were shouting in people's ears about lack of staff due to sickness/isolation rules, bed pressures etc. Care providers were scared for their staff. Families were scared for their relatives.

That's why procurement (and many other things) was being rushed. The kitchen sink was being thrown at things in the hope of saving people's lives and stopping the NHS from falling over.

I make allowance for that.

If big industry weren't being invited to fill the huge gap in PPE manufacturing, ventilators etc who do you imagine was going to pick it up and do it?
I can't say much about the experience I had supplying the NHS because of an NDA. I think I can explain more in a private message if you wish.

Anyway.....you can use all the emotive language that you want, but your opinion is'wrong, very wrong. There was corruption and profiteering on a disgusting scale and a very large proportion of it most certainly wasn't due to any negligence in the procurement process.
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Well, he's making the right noises:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-63787877

Let's see if it translates into action, we should never have had a "golden era" with em in the first place IMO......
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delbert wrote: Tue Nov 29, 2022 11:08 am Well, he's making the right noises:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-63787877

Let's see if it translates into action, we should never have had a "golden era" with em in the first place IMO......
Aka Uncle Sam has been on the phone and told us we cannot sit on the fence anymore.
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Monkeybubbles wrote: Tue Nov 29, 2022 9:17 am I can't say much about the experience I had supplying the NHS because of an NDA. I think I can explain more in a private message if you wish.

Anyway.....you can use all the emotive language that you want, but your opinion is'wrong, very wrong. There was corruption and profiteering on a disgusting scale and a very large proportion of it most certainly wasn't due to any negligence in the procurement process.
Has been thus for a long time according to a former auditor I know. He was physically threatened when he started digging into one particular supply chain where the NHS were paying £23 a unit for something costing a fraction of that which somehow went through six companies after import before arriving at the hospital!
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MB wrote: Tue Nov 29, 2022 12:47 pm Has been thus for a long time according to a former auditor I know. He was physically threatened when he started digging into one particular supply chain where the NHS were paying £23 a unit for something costing a fraction of that which somehow went through six companies after import before arriving at the hospital!
A guy I once worked with had/owned a medical 'refurbishment' company based over in Ireland. He always worked weekends and funny enough, mostly when there was no one else around other than the duty supervisor and 'his' contractors, doing whatever it was they were meant to be doing - naturally out of hours at a premium rate.

Also - but less funny is how many hospital beds (along with things like bariatric mobile chairs and other specialist types of furniture) which were strangely non-compliant with UK standards (rooms & rooms full of these things) were transported off site and 'disappeared' - anecdotally over to Ireland for 'refurbishment' and selling on.
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Danny's Dyer Acting wrote: Mon Nov 28, 2022 1:14 pm 5.2 million people not working and on some form of benefits. What's the plan from Sunak to fix this?

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/yes ... the-proof/

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(Just to be clear, no issue with people being out of work and needing help, it's the way the numbers are obscured until someone digs past the headlines)
I thought we had record low unemployment (3.6% , 1.2million people)
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YGNB wrote: Tue Nov 29, 2022 1:15 pm I thought we had record low unemployment (3.6% , 1.2million people)
That's a point addressed in the article, and this table:

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Far right column, and I think the 5.2m is the total less the 'not on out of work benefits' number.

Food inflation now at 12.4% on last year - and really that seems to be quite a driver for general inflation as well. Potentially going to lead to another rate rise in December, so Merry Christmas everyone.
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I would think by definition someone on incap isnt unemployed. Don't you have to be unfit to work to get it?

The UC numbers will include a pretty big number of self employed people - everyone remember nail bar woman, well that's where she most likely ended up. A self employed claim comes with no work requirements attached. Also anyone with disability, illness or a carer has no work requirement. Parents of children under school age don't either.
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Aren't Tax credits also a 'benefit'? If UC replaced that as well (an assumption on my part) then some people who are in work will also be included (but that's guesswork on my part).
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We get the child benefit thing (80 quid a month for the first kid then another 50ish for the second).

The rules on that need to change though, the wife and I both earn just under the 50k threshold but her brother earns slightly over so gets sod all.
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Have to say I've been impressed with Sunak so far. If the tories can turn around the economy before the next election I can see them winning the most seats with a hung parliament a high possibility. Who would get in bed with them though? The Lib Dems certainly won't.
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We_are_BML wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 12:22 pm Have to say I've been impressed with Sunak so far. If the tories can turn around the economy before the next election I can see them winning the most seats with a hung parliament a high possibility. Who would get in bed with them though? The Lib Dems certainly won't.
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We're living in The Thick of It!

That's too much of a compliment. Badly written ITV sketch show about politics starring Martin Freeman.

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3 years with a near 80 seat majority. If the Tories wanted to make a similar change there has been absolutely nothing stopping them. Quite nice to have a voiceless bogeyman to use as a shield though.

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Danny's Dyer Acting wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 4:36 pm 3 years with a near 80 seat majority. If the Tories wanted to make a similar change there has been absolutely nothing stopping them. Quite nice to have a voiceless bogeyman to use as a shield though.

That and numerous other things, it is that abject failure to make the most (or indeed, do anything of note) of that virtually unique position that has angered so many of their voters.

They're supposedly looking at that safe countries thingy, this is what Labour had going so is hardly a new idea........
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We_are_BML wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 12:22 pm Have to say I've been impressed with Sunak so far. If the tories can turn around the economy before the next election I can see them winning the most seats with a hung parliament a high possibility. Who would get in bed with them though? The Lib Dems certainly won't.
Sunak has done pretty much nothing apart from letting Hunt kick the can down the road right to the date when they are currently on to lose the election.

I suppose after Johnson and Truss anyone else looks remotely "impressive".
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-63808516

2 hour wait now for an ambulance in Cornwall for emergencies.
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smuts wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 7:45 pm Sunak has done pretty much nothing apart from letting Hunt kick the can down the road right to the date when they are currently on to lose the election.

I suppose after Johnson and Truss anyone else looks remotely "impressive".
Our Chief Economist said exactly that at a client event yesterday. Her view is that the markets are happy to play along for a little bit but there will be a reaction to this fiscal event just like there was to the last one once things don’t improve (which they likely won’t).

She was more optimistic on inflation and said the numbers are tracking for a steady but sharp decline from March onwards because of the rolling 12 month calculation. Projections at the moment are we will undershoot the 2% target rate in 2024. Unlikely to do much on interest rates in the short term as it is easier to cut them than raise them and central banks already feel they were caught with their pants down.

The biggest problems according to her are a lack of spare capacity in our workforce and the lack of fiscal head room the government has which extremely limits their options.
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