The Sunak Government 2022-

KUMB's 24-hour rolling news channel. The Forum in which to discuss non sport-related news and current affairs, including politics.

Moderators: Gnome, last.caress, Wilko1304, Rio, bristolhammerfc, the pink palermo, chalks

Post Reply
User avatar
delbert
Posts: 27180
Joined: Tue Oct 07, 2003 11:27 pm
Location: Barking, home of the slowly meandering Prius
Has liked: 701 likes
Total likes: 698 likes

Re: The Sunak Government 2022-

Post by delbert »

Tenbury wrote: Wed Nov 23, 2022 4:00 pm r
Agree with all that ^^

Personally speaking, I'm not in favour of 'growth', nor do I care much for Western pluralist political systems, but it seems self evident to me that building an economy based primarily on private debt where the collateral is just rising house prices, which in turn are based on a shortage of housing, is pretty much short term thinking(quite apart from being a disaster in terms of people at the bottom of the housing ladder.)
What's changed since the 70's?..well no one manufactures anything for a start.
Hardly anyone here is. Capitalism relies on a level of wealth distribution, if too much is held by too few then it struggles because there isn't enough people with enough money to buy the goods (or in our case, services) that make the rich people rich. Basically, what's the point of making or selling something if no one can afford to buy it? Globalisation has changed things, simply importing and selling cheap crap from places such as China has helped allow the imbalance of wealth to increase to an unnatural degree beyond which is the norm.........
YGNB
Posts: 1100
Joined: Sun May 27, 2007 1:17 pm
Has liked: 4 likes
Total likes: 37 likes

Re: The Sunak Government 2022-

Post by YGNB »

So Labour have said they will help vote the Governments housing bill through for the good of the country and defeat the anti growth coalition Tory backbenchers

So what will Sunak do? Country or party first........
User avatar
Cuenca 'ammer
ex 'ouston 'ammer
Posts: 40715
Joined: Thu Dec 05, 2002 4:19 pm
Location: Journey to the dead of night. High on a hill in Eldorado
Has liked: 1903 likes
Total likes: 1613 likes

Re: The Sunak Government 2022-

Post by Cuenca 'ammer »

does this belong in here ?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... e-ppe-firm

Revealed: Tory peer Michelle Mone secretly received £29m from ‘VIP lane’ PPE firm
Michelle Mone


Documents suggest husband passed on money from PPE Medpro, which secured £200m contracts after Mone lobbied ministers

The controversy over Mone and PPE Medpro threatens to embroil the prime minister, Rishi Sunak, who has pledged to make “integrity and accountability” pillars of his leadership.

In the process of investigating the couple, however, HSBC pieced together a money trail showing that Barrowman had transferred tens of millions in PPE Medpro profits through a network of offshore entities. About £29m ended up in the trust benefiting Mone and her children, the report indicates.
User avatar
smuts
Posts: 33753
Joined: Sun Jan 28, 2007 9:28 am
Location: East, East, East London
Has liked: 1500 likes
Total likes: 1440 likes

Re: The Sunak Government 2022-

Post by smuts »

Cuenca 'ammer wrote: Wed Nov 23, 2022 7:38 pm does this belong in here ?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... e-ppe-firm

Revealed: Tory peer Michelle Mone secretly received £29m from ‘VIP lane’ PPE firm
Michelle Mone


Documents suggest husband passed on money from PPE Medpro, which secured £200m contracts after Mone lobbied ministers

The controversy over Mone and PPE Medpro threatens to embroil the prime minister, Rishi Sunak, who has pledged to make “integrity and accountability” pillars of his leadership.

In the process of investigating the couple, however, HSBC pieced together a money trail showing that Barrowman had transferred tens of millions in PPE Medpro profits through a network of offshore entities. About £29m ended up in the trust benefiting Mone and her children, the report indicates.
200m PPE Covid contract and from that 65m was made in profits even before the money starred being divided into trusts.

Parasites.
User avatar
the pink palermo
Huge noggin
Posts: 45059
Joined: Thu Sep 03, 2009 12:00 pm
Location: The Notorious Gate B @LS
Has liked: 759 likes
Total likes: 2944 likes

Re: The Sunak Government 2022-

Post by the pink palermo »

smuts wrote: Wed Nov 23, 2022 8:55 pm 200m PPE Covid contract and from that 65m was made in profits even before the money starred being divided into trusts.

Parasites.
Oh, I think they, and whoever was ensuring they "won" those bids are far, far worse than that.

A setailed criminal investigation should be launched into all of the PPE contracts that were awarded.

Just so people can clear their names, you understand.

Thieving ****ers, the lot of them.
User avatar
mumbles87
Posts: 17676
Joined: Sun Jul 01, 2012 10:35 am
Has liked: 55 likes
Total likes: 935 likes

Re: The Sunak Government 2022-

Post by mumbles87 »

delbert wrote: Wed Nov 23, 2022 4:26 pm It was definitely a blip of happiness, or anyway, at least a level of optimism for those non Guardian readers living on higher ground. I remember it well, the end of austerity, the promise of pay rises and a new dawn of Brexit Britain. The it all went to a bag of ****......
Image
online pic hosting

Smoke and mirrors
User avatar
smuts
Posts: 33753
Joined: Sun Jan 28, 2007 9:28 am
Location: East, East, East London
Has liked: 1500 likes
Total likes: 1440 likes

Re: The Sunak Government 2022-

Post by smuts »

Totally agree Pinky. Who signed off on a contract that allowed a profit margin of over 32.5%?
User avatar
mumbles87
Posts: 17676
Joined: Sun Jul 01, 2012 10:35 am
Has liked: 55 likes
Total likes: 935 likes

Re: The Sunak Government 2022-

Post by mumbles87 »

smuts wrote: Wed Nov 23, 2022 9:53 pm Totally agree Pinky. Who signed off on a contract that allowed a profit margin of over 32.5%?
It's what sticks in the workers throats and when people have a go at people asking for a cost of living rise it's like do you actually realise how corrupt this government is? All this public money wasted but public services and the little guy suffer?

Please
User avatar
MB
Cricket's Darren Anderton
Posts: 25153
Joined: Wed Dec 18, 2002 5:13 pm
Has liked: 5556 likes
Total likes: 3049 likes

Re: The Sunak Government 2022-

Post by MB »

the pink palermo wrote: Wed Nov 23, 2022 9:24 pm
Thieving ****ers, the lot of them.
And the man now in charge is the one who very quickly decided that £4bn of identified furlough fraud wasn’t worth going after and wrote it off :chin:
YGNB
Posts: 1100
Joined: Sun May 27, 2007 1:17 pm
Has liked: 4 likes
Total likes: 37 likes

Re: The Sunak Government 2022-

Post by YGNB »

Not to mention of course that there were many PPE suppliers in the UK that know their onions but they instead gave contracts to mates, who've never sold a mask in their life, starting brand new companies (no doubt wound down after the government contracts were paid and finished)
YorksHammer
Posts: 9589
Joined: Thu Jan 14, 2016 4:03 pm
Has liked: 381 likes
Total likes: 1410 likes

Re: The Sunak Government 2022-

Post by YorksHammer »

Shock as Tory revealed to be corrupt.
User avatar
White Goodman
Making excuses in A&E
Posts: 18677
Joined: Wed Jul 04, 2007 12:50 pm
Location: Inside NUMB's Cathy Newman's head...rent free
Has liked: 254 likes
Total likes: 276 likes

Re: The Sunak Government 2022-

Post by White Goodman »

YGNB wrote: Wed Nov 23, 2022 6:34 pm

So what will Sunak do? Country or party first........
WEF first.

He's not interested in the other two.
User avatar
bubbles1966
Posts: 66974
Joined: Sun Apr 29, 2007 10:01 pm
Location: I'm holding onto nothing, and trying to forget the rest
Has liked: 2438 likes
Total likes: 4294 likes

Re: The Sunak Government 2022-

Post by bubbles1966 »

YGNB wrote: Thu Nov 24, 2022 2:46 pm Not to mention of course that there were many PPE suppliers in the UK that know their onions
Most of our PPE was coming from China.

Our problem was that too few people "knew their onions", let alone had the capacity to produce them.
YGNB
Posts: 1100
Joined: Sun May 27, 2007 1:17 pm
Has liked: 4 likes
Total likes: 37 likes

Re: The Sunak Government 2022-

Post by YGNB »

bubbles1966 wrote: Thu Nov 24, 2022 4:17 pm

Most of our PPE was coming from China.

Our problem was that too few people "knew their onions", let alone had the capacity to produce them.
Lucky we had Michelle Mone PPE expert and that bloke from Matt Hancocks local then to sort us out then wasn't it :grin:
User avatar
bubbles1966
Posts: 66974
Joined: Sun Apr 29, 2007 10:01 pm
Location: I'm holding onto nothing, and trying to forget the rest
Has liked: 2438 likes
Total likes: 4294 likes

Re: The Sunak Government 2022-

Post by bubbles1966 »

YGNB wrote: Thu Nov 24, 2022 4:31 pm Lucky we had Michelle Mone PPE expert and that bloke from Matt Hancocks local then to sort us out then wasn't it :grin:
:) granted, a number of people seem to have done very well out of the situation, and it isn't just these high profile ones; there will be plenty that you never hear of that saw the whole situation as a business opportunity.

That said, the health and care sector (and other bits of the public sector) were put on an emergency footing in March 2020 and many of the usual protocols, procedures, checks and balances went out of the window because of that.
Last edited by bubbles1966 on Thu Nov 24, 2022 4:48 pm, edited 1 time in total.
User avatar
delbert
Posts: 27180
Joined: Tue Oct 07, 2003 11:27 pm
Location: Barking, home of the slowly meandering Prius
Has liked: 701 likes
Total likes: 698 likes

Re: The Sunak Government 2022-

Post by delbert »

mumbles87 wrote: Wed Nov 23, 2022 9:46 pm Image
online pic hosting

Smoke and mirrors
That graph is about as relevant to what I was banging on about as one about cats being neutered. Saying that though, it still reinforces what I posted, a glimpse of optimism at the start 2020, then splat as unwanted cat genitalia hits the fan......
User avatar
bubbles1966
Posts: 66974
Joined: Sun Apr 29, 2007 10:01 pm
Location: I'm holding onto nothing, and trying to forget the rest
Has liked: 2438 likes
Total likes: 4294 likes

Re: The Sunak Government 2022-

Post by bubbles1966 »

The UK was up to 2nd globally for Foreign Direct Investment last year. Only the US does better.
User avatar
Tenbury
Posts: 9269
Joined: Wed Apr 13, 2016 3:28 pm
Location: Too near Kidderminster
Has liked: 722 likes
Total likes: 1209 likes

Re: The Sunak Government 2022-

Post by Tenbury »

That'll be the Chinese government controlled nuclear power stations.
User avatar
smuts
Posts: 33753
Joined: Sun Jan 28, 2007 9:28 am
Location: East, East, East London
Has liked: 1500 likes
Total likes: 1440 likes

Re: The Sunak Government 2022-

Post by smuts »

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... helle-mone

200m contract put through in a few weeks.

Did anyone bother to ask what the profit margin was or as suspected an open cheque book for those connected enough to access the VIP fast lane?
User avatar
SammyLeeWasOffside
Posts: 21694
Joined: Wed Sep 24, 2008 9:31 am
Has liked: 290 likes
Total likes: 1026 likes

Re: The Sunak Government 2022-

Post by SammyLeeWasOffside »

bubbles1966 wrote: Thu Nov 24, 2022 4:47 pm That said, the health and care sector (and other bits of the public sector) were put on an emergency footing in March 2020 and many of the usual protocols, procedures, checks and balances went out of the window because of that.
The NHS epidemic stockpile was 400,000 items of PPE. Now you can argue the rights and wrongs of that amount but between March and May they bought 14bn items (7bn from existing suppliers). That's procurement on a scale nobody had dealt with at a time the whole world was on the look out for the same stuff.

There is a lot of forgetting the sheer panic across the world at that point. If they had said we will wait for the right price they would have been lynched.

They have been trying to get money back from medpro for 12 months.
Post Reply