⚽ West Ham Utd 0-2 Leicester City (12/11/22)

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Re: ⚽ West Ham Utd v Leicester City: match thread

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sgb1972 wrote: Sun Nov 13, 2022 1:49 pm Spot on.

Barnes is behind both Kehrer and Paqueta for their second, makes a great run and leaves them both trailing 20-30 yards behind him.
I also think Dawson committed himself too high up, leaving Aguerd on his own. Diop used to do that a lot too.

Ultimately though we made it too easy by not having a defensive midfield.
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jabbaglob123 wrote: Sun Nov 13, 2022 4:17 pm Worst thing is it's the second game in a row where Soucek has been subbed and we've conceded. Moyes probably is thinking 'see that's why Soucek has to start and play the full 90' 😩
Is he wrong?

Two games in a row the opposing team have tore through our centre on the counter attack.
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Bubbles Fortuna wrote: Sun Nov 13, 2022 4:27 pm Is he wrong?

Two games in a row the opposing team have tore through our centre on the counter attack.
Would help if our remaining defensive midfielder actually played in defensive midfield.
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Bubbles Fortuna wrote: Sun Nov 13, 2022 4:27 pm Is he wrong?

Two games in a row the opposing team have tore through our centre on the counter attack.
No doubt someone should be there, but ideally someone who can pass quickly from deep, that’s where Rice should play, with a powerful quick box to box player and Paqueta completing a midfield trio. Play Soucek when it’s a battle, not against likes of Palace and Leicester.
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Bubbles Fortuna wrote: Sun Nov 13, 2022 4:27 pm Is he wrong?

Two games in a row the opposing team have tore through our centre on the counter attack.
No not at all. Tbf I thought Big Sue had one of his better performances yesterday. Fornals should have replaced PaqMan. Was quite surprised Soucek was subbed off to be fair.
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Bubbles Fortuna wrote: Sun Nov 13, 2022 4:27 pm Is he wrong?

Two games in a row the opposing team have tore through our centre on the counter attack.
You are always susceptible to a counter when pushing for an equaliser.
Are we saying we wouldn't have conceeded them if Soucek was on the pitch? Pretty sure he would have been trying to get a goal too.
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The heatmaps for the match are quite interesting.

Benrahma, Rice, Cresswell all pretty much share the same spot on the pitch. Even Paqueta showed the most amount of his touches in that same spot. In fact, switching the heatmap between Rice and Benrahma, it's hard to determine who actually was the left winger in that game. The position that Rice dominates is actually higher up the pitch then Bowens average position. Showing Rice and Bowen at the same time, it looks like I'm viewing a pair of wingers. Soucek seems to spend most of his time babysitting Kehrer. Paqueta is just about everywhere on the pitch except the traditional number 10 position. Hard to determine from his heatmap just where he's supposed to be playing. Our supposed two central defensive midfielders spend the least amount of their time in defensive central areas.

https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/16408 ... -Leicester
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jabbaglob123 wrote: Sun Nov 13, 2022 4:17 pm Worst thing is it's the second game in a row where Soucek has been subbed and we've conceded. Moyes probably is thinking 'see that's why Soucek has to start and play the full 90' 😩
This. He was actually having a good game for us. Then some complain we have no defensive midfield and yet when he goes off, we concede soone after.aybe he does a lot more than people give him credit for at times..
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Burnley Hammer wrote: Sun Nov 13, 2022 4:32 pm Would help if our remaining defensive midfielder actually played in defensive midfield.
Don’t think you can really call Rice a defensive midfielder any more.
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Colours never run wrote: Sun Nov 13, 2022 1:32 pm I made the same point during the recent spell of many games in a short space of time, we're allowed up to 5 subs remember and yet we barely make many subs during games, arguably at a time we should with fixture congestion through 2 Cups and many League games before the World Cup. And yet he continues to make minimal changes, especially through Subs when even when we're not doing well at all. :eh:

Yesterday he effectively only made 1 sub at 75 mins (Aguerd for Zouma was a forced sub after 15) whilst the score was still just 1-0 at home and Fornals for Sohcek was all you wanted to do with 5 possible subs in a game to make.

By comparison Leicester had used up all 5 of their Subs by the 69th minute mark and ran out comfortable winners in the end.

One is a Proactive manager whereas 1 is now barely a Reactive one. Completely void of ideas. 💡
Why would you make a sub when dominating the game? Fact is, taking Soucek off was a major negative but is the change the boo boys want.

Moyes should stick to his guns as trying to appease the discontented has proven to make the team much easier to carve apart.
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Ironing Board wrote: Sun Nov 13, 2022 5:33 pm Don’t think you can really call Rice a defensive midfielder any more.
Exactly - and that's part of the problem I think.
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So you're suggesting he made that substitution just to satisfy the crowd.. :D
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Burnley Hammer wrote: Sun Nov 13, 2022 5:38 pm Exactly - and that's part of the problem I think.
Getting Kalvin Phillips or Eze would have solved a lot of problems.
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Tenbury wrote: Sun Nov 13, 2022 5:41 pm So you're suggesting he made that substitution just to satisfy the crowd.. :D
Of course. Managers aren’t daft - they know the criticisms. People were moaning about his time-tested back to basics approach so he tried to be more aggressive.
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Of course it's the fans fault, again. :lol: :lol:
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Colours never run wrote: Sun Nov 13, 2022 6:01 pm Of course it's the fans fault, again. :lol: :lol:
Of course, supporters are never responsible for anything, even their own actions. They have a divine right to insult players, harass them on Twitter, boo substitutions etc…

To claim social media etc has had no effect on football is to be naive in the extreme.
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Ironing Board wrote: Sun Nov 13, 2022 5:54 pm Of course. Managers aren’t daft - they know the criticisms. People were moaning about his time-tested back to basics approach so he tried to be more aggressive.
It’s commendable IB that you can blindly defend Moyes, but to suggest that he is making subs because the fans ‘told him to do it’ really is clutching at straws.

If he is listening to us fans, then I think it’s time for him to move in, as he’s lost the plot
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Ironing Board wrote: Sun Nov 13, 2022 5:53 pm Getting Kalvin Phillips or Eze would have solved a lot of problems.
Ones a CDM and ones CAM, where’s the correlation there?
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Ironing Board wrote: Sun Nov 13, 2022 5:54 pm Of course. Managers aren’t daft - they know the criticisms. People were moaning about his time-tested back to basics approach so he tried to be more aggressive.
If Moyes did what the crowd wanted he’d start Downes instead of Soucek.

Moyes couldn’t care less what the crowd want, which as frustrating as it can be, its exactly how it should be.
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"press high Moyes, too negative"
"He's too far up the pitch now Moyes, out of position"

"Take Soucek off Moyes and play Downes/Fornals etc"
"Just because Downes and Fornals are there Moyes it's no excuse for us to let a goal in every time Soucek isn't"

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