Where are the points coming from?

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We've all been here before. Trying to 2nd guess this stuff is a fool's errand and will end up with you tearing your hair out when we inevitable drop points in an easy home game.

Two things I will predict - at least 1 win against a current top 4 team and 1 defeat against a team below us.
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when i look at where we've got to get points, i feel pessimistic. when i look at the other clubs in the same plight i feel optimistic.

i just fear we'll come up short in a must win and need a snooker somewhere along the line, something we haven't been capable of in the league for well over a year now. i think moyes stays in the job until then, when the emergency button will be hit in the hope that it gets us an unexpected result.
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Burnley Hammer wrote: Wed Feb 01, 2023 10:15 am Newcastle (A) 1
Chelsea (H) 0
Tottenham (A) 0
Nottingham Forest (H) 1
Brighton (A) 0
Aston Villa (H) 3
Manchester City (A) 0
Southampton (H) 3
Fulham (A) 3
Arsenal (H) 0
Bournemouth (A) 3
Liverpool (H) 0
Crystal Palace (A) 1
Manchester United (H) 0
Brentford (A) 1
Leeds (H) 3
Leicester (A) 1
And that is me being generous. Of course we're capable of winning a lot more of those, but the way we've played this season, doesn't fill me with hope. Unless we go on a run, I think we're going in to last few games in relegation battle.
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What I've noticed is that just about every one of you has predicted 3 points against Villa, despite their manager change and current good form.
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Burnley Hammer wrote: Wed Feb 01, 2023 2:42 pm What I've noticed is that just about every one of you has predicted 3 points against Villa, despite their manager change and current good form.
Some teams we just seem to do well against regardless of form or manager, Villa are one of them, I think.
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Burnley Hammer wrote: Wed Feb 01, 2023 2:42 pm What I've noticed is that just about every one of you has predicted 3 points against Villa, despite their manager change and current good form.
It's still another 5 games before we face them, their form might be temporary.
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Burnley Hammer wrote: Wed Feb 01, 2023 2:42 pm What I've noticed is that just about every one of you has predicted 3 points against Villa, despite their manager change and current good form.
It's largely the same group of players we've handled with ease since they got promoted. If people are worried about not getting a win against them then confidence really is shot.
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Knighter10WHU wrote: Wed Feb 01, 2023 1:44 pm I think a better question is can you see 3 sides that are worse than us? I have Bournemouth & Southampton. Everton are now a massive unknown but I'd expect the new manager bump to just about see them above us. I think we're bang in trouble.
Leeds? or poss everton
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Beavis Danzig wrote: Wed Feb 01, 2023 2:19 pm when i look at where we've got to get points, i feel pessimistic. when i look at the other clubs in the same plight i feel optimistic.
This is about where I am at too.

I do think we have far more room for improvement than teams around us though. Hopefully we build on the last few weeks and get a confidence boosting win against expectations soon.
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I only see another 15 points! Just have to hope players find some form and we have some better luck with injuries.
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Really need to target a minimum of 4 home wins, and attack the weaker away fixtures.

if we can get 2 points from the next three games i'd be happy, but the forest game at the end of Feb is probably the most important game coming up. If we lose that i think we'll be in really big trouble (and Moyes' position may be untenable).
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We've had a 3 month slump. Players who looked a shadow of themselves are showing signs of life. A resuscitated West Ham can beat any side on its day. Winning begets winning, even if it's against weakened sides.
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WCpete wrote: Wed Feb 01, 2023 4:07 pm We've had a 3 month slump. Players who looked a shadow of themselves are showing signs of life. A resuscitated West Ham can beat any side on its day. Winning begets winning, even if it's against weakened sides.
when was our last "day" in the league then, where we pulled out a win against a side we shouldn't have been expected to beat?

cause i make it december 2021.
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Burnley Hammer wrote: Wed Feb 01, 2023 10:15 am Going back a decade, 38 points has been enough to avoid relegation. We currently have 18.

Can we find 20 points from this lot? That's 6 wins and 2 draws, or 5 wins and 5 draws.

Newcastle (A) 1
Chelsea (H) 1
Tottenham (A) 0
Nottingham Forest (H)3
Brighton (A)1
Aston Villa (H)1
Manchester City (A)0
Southampton (H) 3
Fulham (A)1
Arsenal (H)0
Bournemouth (A)1
Liverpool (H) 0
Crystal Palace (A)1
Manchester United (H)0
Brentford (A)1
Leeds (H)3
Leicester (A)1

Newcstle home 1
19 + 18 = 37. Tigggghhhht
That is what I expect - but we might get a couple of unexpected results - e.g. a win at fulham palace or Brentford - especially if the defence stays tight with Aguerd back and Ings shows poaching instincts.
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WCpete wrote: Wed Feb 01, 2023 4:07 pm We've had a 3 month slump. Players who looked a shadow of themselves are showing signs of life. A resuscitated West Ham can beat any side on its day. Winning begets winning, even if it's against weakened sides.
3 months is being very kind. Check our league results for the whole of 2022. Convert the points won in those games to how they would average out over a season and they show relegation form. I am afraid our malaise is much more than a 3 month slump. In my eyes it has been looking like a terminal decline in health for several months now.
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Kermit wrote: Wed Feb 01, 2023 4:47 pm 3 months is being very kind. Check our league results for the whole of 2022. Convert the points won in those games to how they would average out over a season and they show relegation form. I am afraid our malaise is much more than a 3 month slump. In my eyes it has been looking like a terminal decline in health for several months now.
In fairness, I think we would have beaten both Chelsea and Arsenal towards the end of last season if we didn't rest player's for Europe 🤷‍♂️
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Burnley Hammer wrote: Wed Feb 01, 2023 2:42 pm What I've noticed is that just about every one of you has predicted 3 points against Villa, despite their manager change and current good form.
They've got biscuit wrists in goal.
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Where are the points coming from ?

Very far away from where I'm sitting .
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West Ham Matt wrote: Wed Feb 01, 2023 5:30 pm Where are the points coming from ?

Very far away from where I'm sitting .
So, 3 points from our visit to Newcastle?
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Newcastle (A) 0
Chelsea (H) 1
Tottenham (A) 1
Nottingham Forest (H) 1
Brighton (A) 3
Aston Villa (H) 3
Manchester City (A) 0
Southampton (H) 3
Fulham (A) 1
Arsenal (H) 3
Bournemouth (A) 1
Liverpool (H) 0
Crystal Palace (A)1
Manchester United (H) 0
Brentford (A) 0
Leeds (H) 3
Leicester (A) 1

Win vs Leeds to guarantee safety and then a jolly in the sunshine last game vs already safe Leicester
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