Ivan Toney
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Re: Ivan Toney
That I totally agree with r99c.
Not letting him train with team mates is completely wrong.
Not letting him train with team mates is completely wrong.
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Re: Ivan Toney
First things first mate, big respect for having the balls to post your issue on here. I know exactly how hard it is to call out a personal issue.
Second thing, yes - I agree with you completely. Of course he should be punished and/or banned but what he should not be is cast aside like a piece of ****.
The UK (and most countries worldwide) are horrendous at rehabilitation of offenders. It's why there are repeat crimes by the same people over and over again. Hopefully, some of the comments by Southgate et all will change that.
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Re: Ivan Toney
I would have thought this was the way to handle it, to be honest - there's no reason why a footballer can't have a bet on horse racing, darts, snooker, synchronised swimming etc, and it's a relatively non-football issue if they have a gambling problem and aren't betting on football itself. But there are fairly clear rules which are there for integrity reasons which Toney chose to break - yes, through his addiction, but still chose to break.1895Hammer wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 12:32 pm The FA have to discourage betting by participating players, and they have little option beyond a significant ban to send that message. However in parallel they should be insisting Toney undertakes some form of therapy, he suffers from an addiction and needs support. Maybe they’d have been better issuing a reduced ban on the grounds he undergoes proper treatment and goes public with that to push others to seek help?
A punishment with the appropriate support to help him deal with the issue - and indeed, as part of the sentence reduction - feels like a better way to go here.
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Re: Ivan Toney
First thing you do when caught drinks/drugs on the transport system claim you have an addiction.
Possibly save your job.
Possibly save your job.
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Re: Ivan Toney
It's kind of worrying that this happens frequently enough that there is a plan of action in place to get round it.Patsy Belgium wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 2:59 pm First thing you do when caught drinks/drugs on the transport system claim you have an addiction.
Possibly save your job.
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Re: Ivan Toney
Absolute nonsensewestlondonhammer wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 12:10 pm(and lets be honest, drink driving isn't about protecting others more than the person drinking and driving)
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Re: Ivan Toney
Being banned from the training ground is being cast aside.SammyLeeWasOffside wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 3:02 pm He is a 60m+ asset, nobody is going to cast him aside.
Edit: If what I’ve read is accurate, anyway.
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Re: Ivan Toney
Massive respect mater99c wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 2:43 pm Speaking as someone with a gambling problem, it's extremely difficult to not lapse/relapse. Therefore to also ban Toney from training/behind the scenes stuff is a disgrace. People need support. What he does in training etc won't make any difference to the competition.
If anyone has any questions around gambling problems etc and the brain chemistry etc around it, feel free to drop me a DM.
That said, the ban from actually playing is fine. He could gamble on other stuff if he wanted rather than football where inside information would be helpful. However, in horse racing inside info is rife and it's fine, but then we get into another argument about whether bookmakers should be allowed to ban winners etc. Personally, I think the football ban is fine. Deterrents are obviously required for this kind of thing.
The ban from training with teammates though? Southgate is bang on, it's a joke.
Fair enough
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Re: Ivan Toney
Yep...i mis articulated what i meant and has an isnt in there instead of an is.
Anyway, point remains... laws around drink driving are not comparable to PL / FA / FIFA rules about gambling
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Re: Ivan Toney
Fair playwestlondonhammer wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 7:06 pm Yep...i mis articulated what i meant and has an isnt in there instead of an is.
Anyway, point remains... laws around drink driving are not comparable to PL / FA / FIFA rules about gambling
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Re: Ivan Toney
Just a shame Jim Bowen has departed this mortal coil.
Could have stepped into the room as part of Ivan’s defence team. Stood before the disciplinary panel and uttered the words. ‘Now take your time and listen to Toney’
Could have stepped into the room as part of Ivan’s defence team. Stood before the disciplinary panel and uttered the words. ‘Now take your time and listen to Toney’