⚽ West Ham Utd 1-0 Southampton: (2/4/23)
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Re: ⚽ West Ham Utd v Southampton: match thread
I feel their pain losing to us.... We would have felt the same losing to them.
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Re: ⚽ West Ham Utd v Southampton: match thread
I think Caleta-Car dives in to disguise his true intention of having a niggle. That one on Bowen in the first half where he somehow avoided a booking was a blatant "reducer"- knee to Bowen's thigh that would stiffen up after the half-time break.WestHamLyallStyle wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2023 9:10 am He was played in early on and the ball hit his shin and bounced about 15 yards in front of him. What I did like is that there were a few occasions when he could've dived in, Caleta-Car style, and he didn't. Undoubtedly a good player, he's just got to find his feet.
Moyes would have drlled it into our lot to avoid giving away free kicks in our half cos of the damage Ward-Prowse can do with crosses and shots.
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Re: ⚽ West Ham Utd v Southampton: match thread
From what I've seen of Caleta-Car I think we dodged a bullet there. Aguerd looks streets ahead of him.
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The interesting thing is we seem to be good at pulling teams down to our level. The like of Villa looked poor against us and yet they have some of the strongest form in the league.
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To be fair, Villa have looked poor every time i've seen them under Emery. They have turned into the masters of the smash and grabIroning Board wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2023 4:14 pm The interesting thing is we seem to be good at pulling teams down to our level. The like of Villa looked poor against us and yet they have some of the strongest form in the league.
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Yep there was lots of cries of just pay the £20+ million for him in the widow but we wanted a loan...
Then he ends up going to Saints for about £6m or something.
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Jesus mate - Paqetta was the top player for tackles, interceptions out of all the players in C and B - what game were you watching? For a bloke who can;'t tackle I saw a whole lot more commitment from him than I did potato salad.Hammer in Hornchurch wrote: ↑Sun Apr 02, 2023 5:22 pm We finished 6th and 7th in the last two seasons with him in our PL CM. He isn’t the problem.
The Brazilian is.
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Re: ⚽ West Ham Utd v Southampton: match thread
Mate Saints are bottom, are basically ****. They had a novice striker who was abysmal, and Walcott as the other makeshift striker, they played three at the back because they knew dithering dave would play Ings up top all on his lonesome and played 5 in midfield to overwhelm us.MB wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2023 3:25 pm They are decisions born of fear IMO. We sat deep yesterday due to fear of their press and pace. He then feels he has to pick Soucek as an out ball.
It worked as they didn't bother us too much but again it came at the expense of our forward play. It worked yesterday, but so many times this season it hasn't.
Everyone I have talked to was amazed given he had a full squad to pick from, why he played the system that has served us so poorly all season against a team we could and should with the players we have, and the 'form' we are in, beat comfortably, they are not bottom for a reason after all ... play on the front foot, play it quickly through the lines, get quality ball into the box - we did nothing of that all game, and that is down to tactics not players lacking in confidence, maybe its lack of confidence in the ridiculous tactics they are being asked to carry out.
Wg=hen we press from the front we do it with 3 players when it should be all 5 ... just a waste of Ings' effort running around chasing three players who pass around him whilst Bowen comes inside and the ball is lofted to the player he in fact should be closing down !! Its all rather pathetic and on Wednesday I fear a good thrashing if we decide to play the same old lunatic 999 tactics he is employing.
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Re: ⚽ West Ham Utd v Southampton: match thread
Sadly some fans have been conditioned to accept what we serve up like yesterday, regardless of how poor the opposition are. It's happened all season long.pezza20 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2023 4:41 pm Mate Saints are bottom, are basically ****. They had a novice striker who was abysmal, and Walcott as the other makeshift striker, they played three at the back because they knew dithering dave would play Ings up top all on his lonesome and played 5 in midfield to overwhelm us.
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That's nothing to be proud of. We should be raising our level, not dragging others down to our low standards.Ironing Board wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2023 4:14 pm The interesting thing is we seem to be good at pulling teams down to our level. The like of Villa looked poor against us and yet they have some of the strongest form in the league.
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Moyesball has definitely lowered the bar of expectations this season..Colours never run wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2023 5:08 pm Sadly some fans have been conditioned to accept what we serve up like yesterday, regardless of how poor the opposition are. It's happened all season long.
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Re: ⚽ West Ham Utd v Southampton: match thread
Been going on a bit longer than that, hasn't it? The last 20 years spring to mind.Colours never run wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2023 5:08 pm Sadly some fans have been conditioned to accept what we serve up like yesterday, regardless of how poor the opposition are. It's happened all season long.
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I think our play would change a hell of a lot just by swapping Soucek for either Fornals or Lanzini. Is mind boggling what Moyes thinks Soucek brings in that role. He needs to be leading the press and linking between the lines in that role and he’s abysmal at both
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And nowhere did I say I agree with Moyes' approach. I'm saying why I think he does what he does.
Whether I agree or not it got three points. It won't on Wednesday and I imagine he'll tweak it as they offer a different problem. I probably won't agree with that approach either...
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Re: ⚽ West Ham Utd v Southampton: match thread
Alone it won't. The team needs to move 15 yards up the pitch and press properly.Whufc06 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2023 5:21 pm I think our play would change a hell of a lot just by swapping Soucek for either Fornals or Lanzini. Is mind boggling what Moyes thinks Soucek brings in that role. He needs to be leading the press and linking between the lines in that role and he’s abysmal at both
Stick Lanzini or Fornals in that set up yesterday and they'd have been having a tea party with Ings while the game passed them by.
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I've been backing Moyes on most things, considered some elements out of his control and criticised him where I think he's been naive.
I have to say he is doing Soucek absolutely no favours at all playing him in the no 10 position. He just doesn't have the technical ability for the role. There is less time on the ball as an attacker in that position than there is playing as a holding midfielder.
Soucek is better in a deeper position but not needed right now with Rice and Paquetta playing those positions.
Paquetta struggled further forward when first joining. Rice would also probably struggle in that postion. The position belongs to a Benrahma, Fornals or Lanzini.
We have the players in our squad who are suited to the position. So the manager needs to have a rethink.
I have to say he is doing Soucek absolutely no favours at all playing him in the no 10 position. He just doesn't have the technical ability for the role. There is less time on the ball as an attacker in that position than there is playing as a holding midfielder.
Soucek is better in a deeper position but not needed right now with Rice and Paquetta playing those positions.
Paquetta struggled further forward when first joining. Rice would also probably struggle in that postion. The position belongs to a Benrahma, Fornals or Lanzini.
We have the players in our squad who are suited to the position. So the manager needs to have a rethink.
Re: ⚽ West Ham Utd v Southampton: match thread
And I should also add, the jeers for when Soucek was coming off were completely embarassing. How **** must he be feeling having to try play a position that he's not comfortable in. Guy has been off it but ffs give him a break.
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Re: ⚽ West Ham Utd v Southampton: match thread
Probably more in Moyes direction who has hung him out to dry.
Re: ⚽ West Ham Utd v Southampton: match thread
JohnnyLyall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2023 6:10 pm Probably more in Moyes direction who has hung him out to dry.
No I doubt it
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Re: ⚽ West Ham Utd v Southampton: match thread
Do you want to press high with Walcott loitering? There was a recent game we tried to play a high line and it completely unravelled.