⚽ West Ham Utd 1-2 Liverpool (26/4/23)

[EastleighHammer16]

I think a big problem with var is that still some of the decisions are down to whoever is viewing the incident. One referee may see last nights handball and give it, whilst another one doesn’t.

Couldn’t we solve this issue by having a set “specialist” in each var room. A handball specialist, an offside specialist (although I guess we will get the semi automatic decisions soon) and so on. That way, if there’s a handball in any game, the decision will always be consistent because it’s the same person viewing each incident.

[S-H]

Easier just to bin the whole thing.

Go with, and trust the on field decision.

[EastleighHammer16]

Easier just to bin the whole thing.

Go with, and trust the on field decision.

The referees in this country are terrible. We’d need a whole new set of them if we ditched var completely.

Var isn’t going anywhere anyway. And tbh, I am perfectly fine with var, just think it can be better.

[S-H]

The referees in this country are terrible.

They are indeed.

Who the hell thought it would be a good idea to let them control VAR..

[Knighter10WHU]

Easier just to bin the whole thing.

Go with, and trust the on field decision.

Correct solution and far better for the match going supporter.

[prophet:marginal]

Var isn’t going anywhere anyway. And tbh, I am perfectly fine with var, just think it can be better.

Interesting; I personally consider that the existence of VAR is the main reason why I am happy I don't pay to go to matches any more.

That spontaneous celebration when (you believe) your team has scored disintegrates with the 'checking VAR' messages.

Not for me.

[Coops]

Interesting; I personally consider that the existence of VAR is the main reason why I am happy I don't pay to go to matches any more.

That spontaneous celebration when (you believe) your team has scored disintegrates with the 'checking VAR' messages.

Not for me.

Yeah it does ruin it. I went berserk when Bowen scored yesterday, I should have known better. On the other hand I have seen goals and hardly celebrated because there was a whiff of offside about them. It sucks the joy out of the game. If VAR actually got things right I could see a case for it, but we are 2 years in and still having the debates about bad decisions and big team bias.

[ageing hammer]

But if we let the opposition dominate possession and it results in them having more shots, more goals and winning the game it's a bit of a problem because we'll get 0 points.

If Var had done it's job last night that would not be correct

[ageing hammer]

Var was introduced because refs were making a lot of "incorrect decisions" ( robbing the small teams )

Var is introduced.

Who do they get to run it.

REFEREES

[Iron-on-transfer]

On the other hand I have seen goals and hardly celebrated because there was a whiff of office about them.

[3Dicks]

maybe against the trend here but Bowen was offside, it was not handball the bloke was falling over - the same reason Souček's 'save' wasn't given as a penalty against Chelsea, you cant be disgruntled the one last night wasn't given when we 'got away with one' in the Chelsea game. precedent is set.

The Antonio vs Arsenal one is different - I don't agree that's a hand ball but there we go.

The problem is the inconsistencies, VAR itself is not the problem it's the interpretation by a Ref operating it which really then becomes a matter of opinion we haven't really moved anything on from the ref on the field. the FA have not gained anything with the implementation of VAR.

anyway on the game we gave a good account of ourselves, we have definitely kicked on and started to play better. I can't really see us going down at the moment a few more points and focus on the Euro conference league to make a bit of success this season would do nicely.

[sendô]

maybe against the trend here but Bowen was offside, it was not handball the bloke was falling over - the same reason Souček's 'save' wasn't given as a penalty against Chelsea, you cant be disgruntled the one last night wasn't given when we 'got away with one' in the Chelsea game. precedent is set.

We "got away with one" at home to Chelsea because we were ****ing robbed away to Chelsea earlier in the season when Cornet's goal was disallowed.

[il_martello_di_genovesi]

it was not handball the bloke was falling over - the same reason Souček's 'save' wasn't given as a penalty against Chelsea, you cant be disgruntled the one last night wasn't given when we 'got away with one' in the Chelsea game.

I disagree. If we likened it to any of them, it would be the one from Kehrer against Tottenham, which I thought was handball. That wasn't given, but I thought it was the wrong decision. The Soucek one was a clear falling over and a lot harder to even know if it hit his hand.

I thought it was a penalty, as Thiago hasn't fallen over. He's gone into a challenge with his arms out and if he doesn't do that, the ball rolls into a nice position. It stopped a chance.

Even if what you said was true, getting decisions wrong repeatedly so they 'even out' is the whole thing VAR is supposed to stop. It makes it worse, not better. Kehrer should've conceded a penalty against Tottenham, Thiago should've last night. Both not being given just shows how **** this whole thing is.

[mcan]

The problem is the inconsistencies, VAR itself is not the problem it's the interpretation by a Ref operating it which really then becomes a matter of opinion we haven't really moved anything on from the ref on the field. the FA have not gained anything with the implementation of VAR.

VAR came to pass via the IFAB and FIFA incorporating it into the laws of the game. Nothing to do with the FA.

[kitthehammer]

maybe against the trend here but Bowen was offside, it was not handball the bloke was falling over - the same reason Souček's 'save' wasn't given as a penalty against Chelsea, you cant be disgruntled the one last night wasn't given when we 'got away with one' in the Chelsea game. precedent is set.

The Antonio vs Arsenal one is different - I don't agree that's a hand ball but there we go.

The problem is the inconsistencies, VAR itself is not the problem it's the interpretation by a Ref operating it which really then becomes a matter of opinion we haven't really moved anything on from the ref on the field. the FA have not gained anything with the implementation of VAR.

anyway on the game we gave a good account of ourselves, we have definitely kicked on and started to play better. I can't really see us going down at the moment a few more points and focus on the Euro conference league to make a bit of success this season would do nicely.

I have no problem with bowens being offside, i thought he was when watching live.
But there is a difference between "falling over" and lunging uncontrollably to tackle in your own penalty area and the ball hitting your arm twice when it isn't on the ground.
I have another issue in the fact zouma was being clearly fouled for their second goal.
It just irritates the hell out of me that sometimes because of how the rules and proceedures work (which are largely duff particularly re handball), some things are looked at or not and when we score a goal it seems to be a list of things that have to be ticked off for 5 minutes before its accepted it is a goal, whilst other teams nothing is looked at such as zouma.

[Ding]

This VAR controversy distracted the fact that Benny left his man unmarked for their winner. Instead of tracking his man, he took a gamble and ran in the opposite direction, hoping to pick up a clearance that never came. Matip had a free header as a result.

When the ball went in, Benny looked back at his own goal and teammates, sheepish - like a guilty child. Here's a player with a lot of skill but very little football intelligence. He seems to make exactly the wrong decision every time, offensively and defensively.

Interesting to see if he'll be dropped against Palace now that Cornet (and possibly Fornals) is back. I reckon he'd be sold if Moyes is still manager in the summer.

[claretchris]

If we mark zonally at corners, which I think we do, by all means, Benrhama should have done a better job at blocking Matip, but it was probably Antonio who should have been challenging in the space Matip won the header in - not to poop on the Benrahma pile in...

[Oldun]

This VAR controversy distracted the fact that Benny left his man unmarked for their winner. Instead of tracking his man, he took a gamble and ran in the opposite direction, hoping to pick up a clearance that never came. Matip had a free header as a result.

When the ball went in, Benny looked back at his own goal and teammates, sheepish - like a guilty child. Here's a player with a lot of skill but very little football intelligence. He seems to make exactly the wrong decision every time, offensively and defensively.

Interesting to see if he'll be dropped against Palace now that Cornet (and possibly Fornals) is back. I reckon he'd be sold if Moyes is still manager in the summer.

Whoever assigned Benny to pick up Matip at corners needs a kick in the bollox .

[Jonah]

This VAR controversy distracted the fact that Benny left his man unmarked for their winner.

I'd also ask why 4ft nothing Benny was marking 6ft 3 Matip in the first place.

[Ozza]

I thought Matip should have been Mickeys man?